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52 Ancestors 52 weeks: Week 9. Multiple.

MULTIPLE GENERATIONS OF THOMAS PYE

THOMAS BEGAT THOMAS WHO BEGAT THOMAS WHO BEGAT THOMAS and there may be previous Thomas' begatting!

4 Generations of Thomas Pye

Do you find family naming patterns a help or a hindrance? Mostly I would say that they can be helpful but for the Pye family in and around the Sittingbourne area of Kent it can be most confusing.

Firstly I will encourage anyone who is a descendant of this family and is of the belief that they ultimately descend from the Farringdon, Berkshire, Pye family. Thomas Pye of Bredgar, Kent, the father of Thomas Pye who married Jane Hudson is NOT  Admiral Sir Thomas Pye that so many on the Ancestry website have asserted. The documentary evidence to verify this will be added in the next 52 ancestor 52 weeks post: Same name.

THOMAS PYE (1) ?-1786

Thomas Pye Yeoman of Bredgar married Susanna Spencer on the 8th Oct 1739 at Lynsted Kent, I believe Thomas' parentage to be a Thomas and Elizabeth Pye of Lynsted and baptised there in Jan 1814. However at present I have not proven this, further research is required. (I have done a lot of ground work but now need to collate this and see whether this will help evidence it.) Something that may be interesting is another Thomas Pye being baptised at Bredgar in 1699, the son of Thomas and Martha.

 from Lynsted parish records 
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However Thomas and Susanna nee Spencer, had 5 children, all but Thomas were baptised in Westwell Kent.

ELIZABETH - 1742 married WILLIAM ROBERTS in Borden, Kent in 1777
WILLIAM - b. 7 Feb 1744, bap 10 Feb 1744 died 24 Mar 1744
MARY - 1746
MARTHA - 1750, married JAMES TYLDEN, Butcher of Milton in 1771 
Thomas and Susanna are likely to have moved from Westwell to Bredgar between 1750- 1753 as their son Thomas was baptised in Bredgar
THOMAS (2) 1753 - 1824 married JANE HUDSON at Stockbury in 1785.

Thomas died in 1786 and is buried in Bredgar churchyard. His will as already identified, authenticates both daughter's marriages, Mary remaining a spinster at the time of it's writing. His wife Susanna died in 1789.

THOMAS PYE (2) 1753 -1824

Thomas married JANE HUDSON 1761-1844 at Stockbury, Kent in Jan 1785 by bond. It would appear that Jane was pregnant at the time of their marriage as their first child Susannah was baptised in the May of that year.


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In total Thomas and Jane had 11 children, including 2 sets of twins (as identified within the Bredgar baptismal records * and **) all surviving to adulthood.

SUSANNAH  b.1785 bap Bicknor Kent. m. Richard Ratcliff at Ashford in 1805 d, Bredgar 1810 (confirmation of this death was shared privately via owner of family bible.)

THOMAS (3) b. 1787 bap Bredgar Kent married Maria Crompe nee Weeks at Westminster 1810. d. Charing 1833

WILLIAM b.1788 bap Bredgar married Frances Knell 1810 Cuxton d. 1858 N.Aylesford

JOHN b.1790 bap Bredgar married Harriet Pargeter 1815 Canterbury by license d. 1867 Rochester Kent

*RICHARD b. 1792 bap, Bredgar married 1. Ann Kebble 1818 Birling and 2. Elizabeth Head 1825 St Saviour Southwark d. 1833 Bredgar Kent

*JANE b. 1792 bap Bredgar unmarried d. 1814 Lenham

Canterbury Journal 15 Mar 1814

DEATHS

Mar 5th at Chapel Farm Lenham, Miss Pye. This unfortunate lady met her death in consequence of an injury sustained from her clothes taking fire about 5 weeks since whilst drying some linen by the fireside and since when she has lingered in some great agony.


**ELIZABETH b.1795 bap Bredgar Jan 1795 married Edward Stouts 1814 Bredgar d.1829 Lynsted

**MARY b.1795 bap Bredgar Jan 1795 married Charles Simmonds 1818 St Clement Danes by license. d. 1829  Maidstone

HENRY b.1797 bap Bredgar married Mary Ann Meller Brighton d.1889 Hollingborne Kent

In 1798 Thomas Pye and family are living at Butters Manor Bredgar

The History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent ..., Volume 6 

By Edward Hasted 
published 1798

'There is here likewise a small manor called Butters, which formerly belonged to George Isles Esq of Deptford, who devised it to Admiral Evans, and he sold it to Thomas Pye, the present owner of it.

JAMES b. Sept1799 bap Bredgar in 1800  married Frances Wyles 1826 Bredgar d.1837 Bredgar

GEORGE b.1802 bap Bredgar married Maria Wood 1825 Bredgar. d.1834 Bredgar.
 

THOMAS PYE of Charing Kent (3) 1787-1833 


Thomas Pye farmer of Newlands Farm Charing married Maria Cromp(e) nee Weeks, the widow of Robert Thomas Cromp(e) of Wrinsted Court, Frinsted. Son of Rev Pierrepont Cromp(e) and Elizabeth Tilghman at Westminster.

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Maria had no children with Robert but she and Thomas had 7 children.

MARIA b.1811 Charing married Thomas Flint 1832 Charing and died 1871 Westwell.

MARY b.1812 Charing bap Charing married James Godden Charing 1833 d. ?1889

THOMAS PYE (4) b. 1814

JAMES b.1816 bap Charing 1816 married Jane Kelsey 1837 Hollingbourne  Divorce sought by Jane nee Kelsey in 1872 citing desertion from 1854. (Interestingly in the 1861 and 1871 census Maria Pye's husband Thomas Flint are located together).

WILLIAM b. b.1817 Charing Kent married Emma Walker at Chatham Kent 20 Feb 1843. d. 1888 Poplar.

GEORGE b. 1819 Charing Kent married Margery Rosella Randolph 1st Jun 1843, Islington. d. 1855 Buenos Ayres.

JANE b 1823 Charing Kent married George Lewis Clarke 7th Sept 1847, Marden Kent, d.1897 Queensland, Australia.


THOMAS PYE (4) of Wrinsted Court 1814-?




Thomas Pye (4) remains an enigma the only tangible evidence of his life at present relates to a newspaper announcement in the Kentish Gazette 11th Jun 1833

MARRIED lately Mr Thomas Pye jun of Wrinsted Court Frinsted to Florina youngest daughter of Chas Percy Ormond Esq

No matter how I have searched I cannot Florina or a definitive Charles Percy Ormond, there are possible men in Huntingdonshire, Scotland and Ireland, but I cannot link them to Florine, Fiorina, or a Florence. I do however note that there are a couple of male Ormond marriages in Kent in the 1830's. There is no date or place for this marriage, although some searches advise of a marriage at the Ambassadors Office, Paris, but this actually refers to the next marriage announcement within the newspaper.

And so, many years later I am still unsure if this Thomas died in 1849 in East Malling, aged 33 (incorrect age) or could he be the Thomas Pye who had a Timber Merchants business in London?


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